Saturday, 05 March 2011
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Sexually Active Player Dismissed From Team
Jimmer Fredette might be the NCAA's leading man on the basketball court when it comes to points per game, but his Brigham Young University teammate is gaining national attention for his actions off the court.
Currently ranked number 3 in the nation, the Cougars were dealt a huge blow Tuesday night when the school announced it was suspending forward Brandon Davies for the rest of the season for "violating the school's honor code" (but he's still enrolled as a student while his case is reviewed by the Honor Code Office).
When I think honor code at a college or university, I think don't cheat on tests, don't steal from the cafeteria, always tell your roommate when you borrow their stuff.
Apparently at BYU, the honor code is a little more in-depth.
The largest religious university in the country, BYU is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or as they're more commonly known: Mormons. Known for their missionary trips and 10% tithing rate, those who attend BYU are expected to live up to standards no average college student would be able to uphold for one weekend, nevermind 8 semesters.
As head basketball coach Dave Rose told reporters after his team got blown out by un-ranked New Mexico Wednesday night, those who choose to attend the school make a commitment to themselves and the honor code. He said, "A lot of people try to judge if this is right or wrong, but it's a commitment they make. It's not about right or wrong. It's about commitment."
This commitment is no joke. The honor code says students must live "a chaste and virtuous life," which means no porn, "appropriate gender specific behavior," no sex outside of marriage, and no homosexual activity. Along with keeping your hands to yourself, BYU students can't do drugs, drink booze, coffee or tea and no tobacco.
Think you could survive with those rules?
Neither could Davies. It's been revealed the sophomore wasn't dismissed for having a Natty Light or hitting the Dunkin' Donuts drive through. The Salt Lake Tribune is reporting Davies admitted to having pre-marital sex.
After Davies apologized to his teammates, Fredette told reporters Davies said he was sorry to have let the team down. "We just held our heads high and told him it was OK, that it is life, and you make mistakes, and you just got to play through it," Fredette said.
I have two questions for you: Why do you think Davies "admitted" to breaking the honor code? Do you think it's fair he was suspended from the team?
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I used to be best friends with a Mormon girl and she was the biggest hypocrite I knew. She criticized my "sexually active" lifestyle all while she was doing everything else except having sexual intercourse (she did not think oral sex was considered sex). She would brag about smoking weed, basically going against every Mormon "rule" that I knew of and then condemn me for not being a believer of God.
As for Davies, I think he is way better off not playing for a school that is so unreasonable and judgmental. He should have even signed up to play if his beliefs were contradictory of the religion.
Unless you live on campas and they have cameras and spy on your laptops, how would they know any of this?I And I love lemon tea!
I guess the school will learn when they start losing their ranks.lol. Atleast guys cant get pregnant! I guess they dont want baby visitation to get away from practice and child support to get in the way of tithe. :]
like they said, he did make the commitment to the school. my only problem with this is that the school has those rules in the first place. religion should be between you and God.
When you make a commitment (the BYU Honor Code) you should keep it. But I feel bad for the player and for BYU.
"those who attend BYU are expected to live up to standards no average
college student would be able to uphold for one weekend, nevermind 8
semesters."
i sincerely dislike this statement.
Dude, if you see the volleyball freshman from ASU, who's supposedly his girlfriend, then hell yes, the price of getting suspended is worthwhile.
He should just leave the school altogether and go someplace where the people aren't quite so backwards and arbitrary.
You agree to follow the rules, you don't follow the rules, you get cut. Simple as that.
Hahaha. I was in the process of applying for a summer REU at BYU until I read the honor code and realized I couldn't do it. Physics without coffee? What a joke!
We play them in basketball, and I think this is hilarious. Playing against BYU is always one of the funnest games because Mormon jokes tend to be the best...and ironically, we played them last year on parents night.
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not fair... he should go play somewhere else...
If you agree to follow the rules and you are made aware of the rules, than I see no problem with the consequences should you break one of the rules, whether you are Mormon or not.
I'm a Mormon and I thought about going to BYU, but I honestly took the rules in consideration and I'm not the greatest Mormon out there so I wouldn't be able to abide by some of those rules due to my own personal beliefs that do differ from the church. And it's all right, because I believe I have a personal relationship with God and He is the only one who can truly condemn me. I do like a cup of coffee once in a while, and I tend to curse so it wouldn't fly with my fellow students at BYU if I were to attend.
It is a religious, private school and that's how it is. You can either go and agree with the rules or not - you have that choice.
As much as I want to side with the student, I have to agree with the comments that he made a commitment and knew what he was signing up for. I think a lot of people probably identify with defending him because of (understandably) how little they identify with Mormon rules, but he did know beforehand what could happen if he broke the rules. I say go play somewhere else and fuck that school's rules.
Dude fucked up. The only reason this is news is because the team is a high-ranked athletic program. I bet you kids get put on probation and thrown out from BYU every year for breaking the honor code. I think it's nice to see the athletes aren't getting special treatment, as they so often do from universities.
I think he admitted because he either honestly felt bad and that good old religious guilt caught up to him or someone found out and he knew it would be better if he just stepped forward.
@my0nlyh0p3@xanga - Why? It's pretty reasonable to me. It's talking about the average.
@x__mh@xanga - I could honestly say the same thing about a person from each religion. There are hypocrites and corrupted people from each branch of life.
"those who attend BYU are expected to live up to standards no average
college student would be able to uphold for one weekend, nevermind 8
semesters."
i LOVE this statement.
okay yes he made the 'commitment', but seriously. sexual activity is no one's busy except the two people involved, and i guess God, as long as it's legal. but not a school's. i don't care what they say their 'honor code' is, they have no right to pass judgement on things that have no relation to the school. drugs and alcohol i can totally understand, especially for being on a sports team. come on though, sex? do you really think he's the first person to break this rule? how would they have found out if he hadn't admitted it in the first place anyway?
no coffee or tea. well, damn.
No matter what you think, those are the rules. It's not like he didn't know. He has to suffer the consequences. I don't think it was fair but they had to make an example of him to show they're not playing around.
The only thing I think is ridiculous is not being able to drink tea or coffee- other than that there's nothing wrong with the rules.
I guess it wouldn't fucking matter for me since I'm not getting any love anyways...
It's a private university, and is entitled to make its own rules. Should you wish to become a student at said university, then these rules should be considered. If you doubt you'll be able to handle it, don't follow through with the application, or turn down the opportunity.
Do I dig the belief system? No. But I think the school is within its right to suspend him from the team. He signed on for it with the understanding that this 'Honour Code" was to be upheld.
@mcmeister89 - because I know plenty of college students who are quite capable of going more than a weekend without doing drugs, getting drunk, or having sex. Just because it may be the 'average' thing to do doesn't mean every student other than those at BYU are.
No tea?!! That's terrible!!!
@CrisaRei@xanga - Well, corrupted people from each branch of life is irrelevant. It's the hypocrisy in Mormonism that I was pointing out since it is what the post is about.
What exactly is the hypocrisy in Atheism and Agnosticism?