Saturday, 15 August 2009

  • Double Standards: Big Women vs. Big Men

    Chris Rock once made a distinct difference in men and women on Kill The Messenger, when it came to approaching the overweight opposite sex. Of course, he just used black men and black women in this.

    One interesting difference he points out is that some men, not just black, would do any woman, regardless of her weight, and also, pointing out that some women aren't as physically deep ("The reason black women are mad at the men for dating white women is black women aren't attracted to white men. Sure, they will f**k Brad Pitt...they'll give Beckham some pu**y", he says but he also says "no black woman wants to do George from Seinfeld").

    As far as the men liking any woman, Chris Rock's main line was this: "A black man would dropkick Keira Knightley to get to Rosie O' Donnell... and she don't even like men."  

    Now, let's pretend he didn't mention race. Here is where the double standards come into play. He is pointing out that men aren't really as shallow as some women make them out to be. Some men would go for any woman, but not too many men are as shallow as to dismiss big women the way some women might dismiss big men (or in this case, we will call them "teddybears"). Let's take time to discuss them both, shall we?

    The woman


    Some women are probably wondering what is so appealing about chubby women. To us, that is the same question as "why don't you care if I think I am fat?" Now, from my experience, I really cared less about a woman's weight, because I could see everything inside of her, if I dated her. But personally, it's not the weight that makes you attractive, it's how you wear and/or work it. Voluptuousness, the clothes, the ability to make a man appreciate more than just what you make yourself. Of course, your weight is NOT a fashion statement, but the least likely a woman cares about what you have to go through to get yourself a man or woman, let alone getting sexual pleasure, the more likely she may get herself one. Heck, why do you think BBW pornography is so successful (source: "HBO's Pornocopia")? They were also the subjects of Peter Paul Reubens, the painter from which the term "reubenesque" was from.

    Now, let's look at the "big-boned" male.

    The chubby male. The velvet teddybears. The stereotypes of women goes that some of them will hardly go for the chubby male. The reason for that? Let's face it. It's the same reason for anyone who discriminates by weight: mostly performance. Surely, that sounds sexist, but we have men who have bellies all over the world. And not many of them become the most talked about men with the hottest women. Heck, people got surprised when Jerry O' Connell dated Rebecca Romijn AFTER finding he was the former fat kid in Stand By Me. Now, the public is so shallow in Hollywood that some of them aren't willing to admit having a thing for big men.

    Being a man who had himself a BBW preference (which is not even set in stone), the reason I had a thing for some of those is not just the sexual attraction, but I like the types that don't really care about what they have to do to get a man. They know that they can be 180 pounds with fuller curves or 280 pounds, and somewhere in America, there is a man out there who would want some of it, anyway. If she decides to lose weight, it won't be because the world or a magazine told her to. But mostly, the women who let her confidence and her lust for life, instead of her vanity, do most of the talking are the ones that wind up the sexiest women on earth. Isn't that a bit right, guys?

    Let me take the time to turn this over to the men and women and ask: Men, why do you think big women are so appealing these days? And women, if you saw a teddybear (a big man), would you honestly date him, if he wanted you?

Comments (89)

  • laurasaywha@xanga

    I know it sounds shallow and all, but it really depends how fat he was or how cute he was. @_@

  • Je_Suis_Vrai@xanga

    I see A LOT of big women with smaller or also big men where I live, so I don't think it's that big of a deal... It all depends on where you live and what types you like.

  • ordinary_gir1@xanga

    as shallow as it may sound.. it would depend ><
    but i prefer toned boys.

  • MangoWOW@xanga

    Well I don't know if that's exactly the deal for me. I've seen a lot more chubby/fat girls turned down by guys simply because they're bigger. And then I've seen a lot of girls (both big and small) be more than happy to accept a bigger guy (but then again I live in Miami Florida and girls feel the pressure to have a beach body all year round).
    And then you also have to look at life in general: you see a lot more thin/pretty girls with thicker guys (think Seth Rogan-esque). Not only do you see this more in real life but you see it a lot on TV too.
    Maybe this varies in different areas... but as far as where I've been thats what I've taken in.

  • FallenReign@xanga

    I'm shallow; I'm also sixteen. 1) I can't exactly help who I'm attracted to. 2) I will not date someone if I'm not attracted to them. 3) All the people I'm attracted to aren't good looking, there's just something attractive about them. 4) I don't date people because they want me. I have to want them too, you know. 

  • DiscordInTheGarden@xanga

    You know, the fact that some men will go after ANY woman doesn't mean they aren't shallow. Think about it.


    I've dated both types of guys, the toned baseball player & the chubbier academic guy, & everything in between.
    To be honest though, I would probably never date an obese guy, but I would also never date a really thin, soft guy. We all have our limits.

  • mynameisblueskye@xanga

    @MangoWOW@xanga - Or perhaps, some of this mostly applies to minority men like me, in which case, I wrote myself into a corner yet again AND outed myself on the type of girls I like. Weird yet inteligent girls also attract me. Still...  Ah well, maybe after this, I can bring up a new Mancouch list of the top 5 or 10 sexiest BBW celebrities. Who's interested?

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  • icebreakers_38@xanga

    Okay, So I'm a bigger girl. I wear jean sizes 12-14 in most brands, & my boyfriend is bigger too. I wouldn't call either of us fat. I'm 5'6" close to 5'7" and my boyfriend is 6'7" and weighs around 270. I wouldn't change a thing about either of us. I wouldn't mind being a little taller to be more similar to him in height, But i think I'm attracted to bigger guys like him because it makes me feel more secure, him being tall and strong. :)
    We're both equally attracted to each other & In my opinion I wouldn't say we're any different than a "skinny" couple.

    I feel like I'm rambling... haha, well anyway, that's my opinion.

  • BunnyParfait@xanga

    I just happen to be attracted to modelesque people.
    Some people are attracted to those with a little extra somethin' somethin' but that's their prerogative. I don't care either way.

    I tend to not be attracted to obese people because it says they don't care about their own health / themselves. How can they care about me if they don't care about themselves?

  • still_xxhurting@xanga

    I love the teddybear guys <3

  • Morningstarrising@xanga

    You're attracted to who you're attracted to.  I've been attracted to skinny and short guys, but my husband is muscular and quite tall.  I know it sounds cheesy, but if you're not very funny and have no personality, I'm not going to be attracted to you at all.  But clearly my husband is both, so how he LOOKS is irrelevant.

  • romeosintuition@xanga

    For me, I feel that it matters about personality over anything, but I don't think i would go trying to get to know the girl I wasn't attracted to over the one I was. That just doesn't make sense. 

  • Complexitii@xanga

    @DiscordInTheGarden@xanga - Great point. I dont want to be crushed and I dont want to feel BONES digging into me. And men fucking anything really doesn't mean much more than THAT.

  • Lil_Firefly_25@xanga

    I guess my boyfriend and I are both "teddybears" as you put it? I actually prefer bigger guys-- guys that are skinny or too muscular are gross in my opinion...

  • mynameisblueskye@xanga

    @Lil_Firefly_25@xanga - You know what? Teddybears were originally my slang word for big men, because girls have rubenesque and BBW, and many others. But it fits everyone kind of nicely.

  • discoxapples@xanga

    I've never dated a "teddybear" but uh, I might, depending on if I was attracted to them or not. I'm usually attracted to skinny guys, even though I'm not like, a skinny skinny girl. But my boyfriend is more..toned. He doesn't have rock hard, cut up abs, but he has a nice flat tummy. But if he was a teddy, I'd still love him.

  • HereInMyVoid@xanga

    i think it's impossible to generalize this kinda stuff. everyone has their own personal preference.

    while some guys have no problem dating chubby women, there's plenty i know that would never give a "fat chick" the time of day. by the same token, lots of girls like the "teddy bear" guy, because it helps them feel protected or less self-conscious or something (guessing)..but many also wouldn't want to date a chubbier guy.

    i've never dated a chubby guy and i wouldn't rule it out per say, but generally it's not what i'm attracted to. i like my boys tall and wiry. again, it just depends on the person's preference i think.

  • fried_ryce@xanga

    No, I probably wouldn't date him.

  • thingamabobbie@xanga

    I like the meatier men, myself. Hell, I like all men. Women and men are one in the same, yet completely different. 

  • erahslover@xanga

    What? No photo of a fat girl? You're going to make me look at man-tits?! AT MANCOUCH?!! You guys always let me down. Where are the editors when you need em?

    I'm fat (5'10 - 237lbs) and i've never had a problem getting dates or having girls I thought were out of my league ask me out. I've dated tiny little girls barely 5 feet tall and the total opposite of the spectrum; dating a girl who didnt weigh as much but was definitely fatter/more rounder than me(I played football in school so me saying I weigh 237 might be misleading.. but i still have a muffin top) and it was whatever.

    But I will say this; big people have to work on their people skills and charm a lot more than smaller/more fit people do. If you're a fatty AND a complete socially inept asshole -- unless you're also rich you're going to be spending quite a few nights with a bottle of Jergens and bangbros.

    There are plenty of sexy fat asses out there. And if you deny that someone is attractive because they're overweight then fuck you, you're a slave to the media whos feeding you those ideas. I think people are so careful about their egos getting bruised that even if they WERE attracted to heavier people they wouldn't pursue them because of what people might say... which is bullshit.

  • MissPixieGlitter@xanga

    hmm, i don't think it's an issue of shallowness. the stereotypical male is supposedly more indiscriminate when it comes to women. with animals, even "less desirable" females get mates, while "less desirable" males are outcompeted.

    "teddybears" aren't exactly my type, but i wouldn't flat out say i'd never date a bigger guy.

  • neekuuh@xanga

    I'm a curvy lady
    wide hips ect ect
    and my bf, is a nerdy teddy bear :)
    and i didnt notice his weight much
    i fucking love him for who he is :)

  • nooitzben@xanga

    I know I don't want anorexic girls but I don't want Big Bertha crashing down upon me in the bedroom either ;p

  • DamnableWoman@xanga

    I think that guys find confidence sexy. Truthfully people don't usually say hey this and this alone is sexy. I'm curvy myself and have been dating regularly I ask guys  if my weight is a problem and most of them have said that it doesn't matter. Really it's all about preference people like what they like. Me personally I'd don't care too much about appearance. If he's what I'm looking for than he's what I want. Myself I like older men. I can't say that I like this or that about a man. Just that if I find it appealing to me that's what it is. 

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