Monday, 23 February 2009
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Are Women as Sexist as Men?
Guys, how many times have we heard women say things like,
"men are jerks"
"I can do more than one thing at a time because I'M a woman!" (not too frequent a comment but I've heard it a few times)
"Men are insensitive!"
"Women are more understanding than men!"
"Women think faster than men"
"You can't hit a girl, but if a girl hits you, you probably deserve it"
Now, if one of us guys so much as gives an opinion on why women might not be paid as much, we are labeled a sexist.We are subject to vicious verbal attacks for merely supposing there are realms in which we are better than women, while women will gladly point out to us realms in which they believe themselves to be superior.
A modern woman thinks sexism is a man supposing he can be better than a woman in a particular field. While a woman can easily away with saying women are better than men in general.
Women demand equal rights, and while I think that is a good thing, I would like to see more women taking on equal responsibility. While you may not be paid as much, or hired as readily, there are a lot of things you need to give up before society is truly equal.
Women need to stop thinking they have the right to assault men. Many women believe, and some women will even say that men should not be allowed to hit them back in self defense. This is not pursuit of equal rights, this is domination.
Women will usually win in court cases even if they swung first, and so usually if they strike a man there is no attempt of legal retaliation.However I'm sure everyone reading this has seen a woman get away with striking a man, and probably been angry at a man for striking a woman. Now I'm not suggesting men should be allowed to beat women, I'm simply stating that there should be no double standards relating to assault and self defense cases. That is, unless you want to be considered the weaker sex.
And for those saying women cannot hurt men, well, think again. I am physically stronger than any woman I know. But that does not make me invincible. Anyone can be caught off guard with a low blow, or a jab to the throat. Both of which are really dangerous and excruciatingly painful. And these things do happen.
Please bear with me as I give a long drawn out example from my own experience:A few years back, I was part of a Christian youth group. Some new members had joined us and we were out on night time corn maze. Our youth minister, a woman who happened to be out of shape, didn't want to actually watch us in the maze, because it involved too much exercise. So, she made it a boys against girls race, and left us to ourselves.
The guys got bored running around, so when we heard the girls coming, we decided to jump out of the shadows and startled them. It was all in good fun. We knew most of them well, and they all knew us, so no one was going to be in any real danger. And it worked really well. They looked like deer caught in the headlights.
However, one of the girls apparently didn't find it funny, and decided to express this the best way she knew how. Or rather, thought this a good excuse for some violence.
First she attempted to kick me, which I easily anticipated and blocked. I don't claim to be an expert fighter, but she was obvious and slow about it. Anyway I gave her a look and she backed off. Then she spotted a friend of mine a few feet away, who was laughing too hard to pay attention. She ran up to him and kicked him full force right int he groin.
The girl who'd kicked my friend, a new girl, was bragging to the group, in particular to her mother, about what had transpired. She didn't really even try to make it sound called for. She said we jumped out, she kicked me but I blocked it, so she kicked him between his legs. Her mother, and some of the group members were laughing.
I was angry and so I called her a bitch for it. I'd do it again in a heartbeat too. Well anyway, long story short, everyone sided with her, and I was almost thrown out of the youth group. But I quit before they could decide what to do.
Now, if you were to turn this around, or any story like it, the ending would seem ridiculous. Women call men A-holes all the time just for our opinions. While Men can *never* get away with striking a woman. If I were to strike her, I would be arrested, and buried in foul names.
If you want to be equals, than why don't you stop abusing laws that protect you? (not to assume all women and girls would do that)
Before I go any farther, I would like to point out that statistics and number showing men hurting women is not a valid argument against this. Men should never assault, rape, or take advantage of a woman, All I'm saying is, women need to take equal responsibility for their own actions.My post will probably seem like a spiteful rant, however I really mean to make a point, women are just as sexist as men, and just as prone to wanting special treatment.
Another point I should like to make is that women will always side with another woman over a man, no matter what the subject.
For instance, the recent post labeled, “How I ruined a girls Valentines Day”, a man is harassed by a woman who wishes to take the last pack of Sam Adams, which he has picked up first. He refused, clearly within his rights, to give it to her, and proceeded to purchase it. Once outside, she lied to her boyfriend that he had stolen it from her. Her boyfriend, believing her, assaulted the man, and was quickly awarded two well deserved punches in the face. Now, on finding out he was given a bloody nose because she lied to him, he broke up with her.
While nobody sided with her over whether or not she deserved his beer, (well, nobody with a brain) many women stated they thought her boyfriend was a jerk for breaking up with her.
Is that seriously how far women will go to make the woman the victim of any story? Clearly he broke up with her for telling a lie that got him beaten. Who would stay in a relationship where things like that were happening? Trust is an important part of any relationship, and after that I doubt he had much left for her.
Women side with women, because they automatically assume all problems are caused by men. This is clearly sexism, a thing which women themselves will not tolerate.
Are women as sexist as men? Do I, a mere man, have the right to suggest such things about women?
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Comments (149)
i definitely agree, women are sexist just like men. i think, however, we're sexist in a different way. i'm way too worn out to try to delve into it, but it's in a way where it seems harmless, like it's deserved, so we get away with it.
my only qualm about abuse is that men can hit harder, etc. that's just a biological fact. but that doesn't mean that a man can't hit a woman in self defense. nobody should hit ANYBODY under any circumstances. especially if you're in a relationship with that person.
people need to take women hitting men way more seriously.
why is a "bitch slap" a joke? those hurt, and are humiliating (i am assuming, haha). sometimes i jokingly hit my boyfriend, lightly, but i'd never hit him during an actual fight.
I was the guy who wrote the post mentioned and I totally agree. Women are always claiming victim mentality. Half the girls who commented on my post said I should have just given her the beer. Wrong. Then they called me a jerk for not doing it. Why? Why should should I give in to a jerkass gal who obviously doesn't give a flip about her boyfriend.
Sexism is usually the result of past trauma, usually emotional. If a woman has something agansit men, it is usually because she had been scorned by one (and vise versa). I say, take it all in stride. If you are around someone who is sexist and negative, just chose not to be.
Short answer: Yes.
The stats show that spousal about is roughly 50-50 between the sexes, (Straus, M. A., 1977; Steinmetz, 1978; Brutz & Ingoldby 1981; Makepeace 1981; Makepeace 1983; Elliot, D. S. et al., 1985; Straus, M. A., & Gelles, R., 1986; Meredith et al. 1986; Szinovacz, 1987; Barling et al., 1987; Mason & Blankenship, 1987; O’Leary & Arias, 1988; Malcolm, G., 1994; Dunn, K., 1994; Coochey, J., 1995; Carrado et al., 1996) but that men only report it about 1% of the time that it happens. (Fontes, 1998) Women are also more likely to strike the first blow. (Straus, 1997) Women are nearly twice as like to use an object when she assaults a male partner which can equalize the level of injury he receives. (Straus & Gelles, 1986)
Apart from that, Mismeasure of Woman by Tavris is a good read to learn about how feminism has taken things too far in the opposite direction.
Also, Self Made Man, by Norah Vincent is a good book that will help women relate to men and see things more from their perspective, if you're interested in that sort of thing, girls.
@proverbs163_03@xanga - seriously...you arent a jerk for that...like i stated the ITch deserved it...i mean thats pretty LOW of her....besides...if i can fit into your shoes, i'd do the same..
never get in between someones beer...
its almost like backwashing on a friends drink..ugh..
I like this post.
women misuse the fact that they're female, a lot. we use it to get ahead in some places and as the trump card in an argument, all we have to do is cry. i think it's completely stupid that we are basically born believing we have and can use this trait at any certain point in our lives.
...just because we've been cursed with monthly cramps and bleeding downstairs and guys don't, does not mean that we can be a bitch 24/7.
It's a well known fact that women logic revolves on emotions. If you ever try to persuade a woman on anything, you have to use more than words. That's just the simple fact of nature.
@Olyachka@xanga - While I agree that overt misandry or misogyny is often the result of past trauma, I think that that's looking at things too broadly.
It shouldn't be hard to imagine that the way we grow up and the things we're taught about ourselves and the opposite sex are extremely influential in our perceptions of society.
To use the author's example, the girl that kicked him in the groin has grown up having been taught that it's okay for girls to hit guys, but not the other way around. It's not strictly necessary for her to have been heartbroken or abused in some way to account for her behavior. We can just look at the way her mother laughed at her behavior rather than seeing it for the assault that it is.
I agree. I hate feminazis. I have friends that will kick a guy in the nuts if he just pisses her off a little.
How would you feel if he kicked you in the taint, you fucking cunt?!
Seriously, doing harm like that to a guy is only justified if you are in real *DANGER*.
The girls siding with girls thing- finally someone else points this out. The whole "girl power" and "we are empowered by each other" bull shit, like, when I make fun of a girl for being a total tool, it's like I'm insulting women kind. SHARING THE SAME GENITALIA DOES NOT MAKE ME, in ANY way, obligated or connected to you (though mine, unlike yours, brings all the boys to the yard, etc.)
I haven't seen that post you talked about- the one where the guy broke up with girlfriend for lying to him and getting his ass kicked in result. But I am glad he broke up with her for that. Good for him, for having the balls. More guys need those nowadays.
a little long but great post..
women can get away with a lot of shit. i don't agree with it, but that's the way it is. i really dislike the classic double standard on abuse: when a girl kicks a guy's balls. it's messed up because people think it's funny and even worse -- as guys we're almost supposed to accept it. great post.
@OstentatiousEloquence@xanga -
Complete. Win.
yeah seriously though - Double Standards are FTL.
Um this is way too long for me to read. Haha. Laziness. But to answer the title question, yes.
mmmyes. there are many women who are sexist against men. we are amongst them, slightly. we once were going to hit a guy for "being male", as he put it, "being a pervert", as we would put it. it's not just that we want equal rights in the work place, we want equal rights in thought too. if a girl is a nympho it's "hot", if a guy is a lech it's gross. it's not cool. it's like we aren't taken seriously. personaly, if we hit you, you should probably hit us right back. you may have deserved it in our mind, but if you dissagree, make it known and if you have a good argument we'll give ya a free shot. but that's just us, not all females are so equalist.
Women are FAR more sexist than men. I think the girl in the corn maze was a bitch too, but apparently she's beyond scrutiny because of her gender? That's a load of bull. We should all treat each other equally.
I'm not saying that I never hit men; that would be a lie. I tend to get physical when I joke around, but that's all it is--a joke. I always expect to be hit back, and if it doesn't happen, I don't hit them again, because it's no longer playing; it's abuse.
I am a sexist. Should my BF one day become a pansy, I'd freak out.
In actual reality, (not fantasy image of themself 'reality', or public-image of themself reality, or politically-correct reality) -much more so.
@IvyMySweet@xanga - Lol SevenofNine.
@WoundedScapegoat@xanga - ...how did we get on Star Trek?
@OstentatiousEloquence@xanga - AMEN. And thanks. I've been dealing with women like that all my life.
Btw, are you single by any chance? ;)
@IvyMySweet@xanga - I really don't know, but I want to get back to Star Wars.
@WoundedScapegoat@xanga - haha no, sorry
@OstentatiousEloquence@xanga - Ah well. It figures.
@WoundedScapegoat@xanga - mmmmmmm yum...Star Wars